Thursday, July 13, 2006

The Glorious Conservative Revolution -
is led by this guy. Pic from watertiger..

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Immma gonna go bowling..heheheh

Mah Shooes look cool or what?

Ah can dance better than that Koizumi fella!

Found this on JG's site and saw the interview on MSNBC.
In these days of the Conservative Revolution where there is very little questioning of dear leader or his great revolution in the media, although there are occassional reminders of the times we live in. Sometimes it's worth listening to what some who have lived thru the Nixonian years have to say. One such person is John Dean who used to be White House counsel to President Nixon. He was on MSNBC last night. I saw this interview and here are some excerpts from JG.

In last night’s appearance on MSNBC’s Countdown with Keith Olbermann, former White House counsel to President Nixon, John Dean, discussed his recently released book, Conservatives Without Conscience, where he says he came across a little known fifty-year academic study that chronicled the characteristics of the authoritarian personality.

KEITH OLBERMANN: What did you find? — In less than the 200 pages that the book goes into.
JOHN DEAN: I ran into a massive study that has really been going on 50 years now by academics. They’ve never really shared this with the general public. It’s a remarkable analysis of the authoritarian personality. Both those who are inclined to follow leaders and those who jump in front and want to be the leaders. It was not the opinion of social scientists. It was information they drew by questioning large numbers of people — hundreds of thousands of people — in anonymous testing where [the subjects] conceded their innermost feelings and reactions to things. And it came out that most of these people were pre-qualified to be conservatives and this, did indeed, fit with the authoritarian personality.
OLBERMANN: Did the studies indicate that this really has anything to do with the political point of view? Would it be easier to impose authoritarianism over the right than it would the left? Is it theoretically possible that it could have gone in either direction and it’s just a question of people who like to follow other people?
DEAN: They have found, really, maybe a small, 1%, of the left who will follow authoritarianism. Probably the far left. As far as widespread testing, it’s just overwhelmingly conservative orientation.
OLBERMANN: And the idea of leaders and followers going down this path or perhaps taking a country down this path requires — this whole edifice requires an enemy. Communism, al Qaeda, Democrats, me… whoever for the two-minutes hate. I overuse the Orwellian analogies to nauseating proportions. But it really was, in reading what you wrote about, especially what the academics talked about. There was that two-minutes hate. There has to be an opponent, an enemy, to coalesce around or the whole thing falls apart. Is that the gist of it?
DEAN: It is one of the things, believe it or not, that still holds conservatism together. There is many factions in conservatism and their dislike or hatred of those they betray as liberal, who will basically be anybody who disagrees with them, is one of the cohesive factors. There are a few others but that’s certainly one of the basics. There’s no question that, particularly the followers, they’re very aggressive in their effort to pursue and help their authority figure out or authority beliefs out. They will do what ever needs to be done in many regards. They will blindly follow. They stay loyal too long and this is the frightening part of it.

OLBERMANN: This all seems to require, not merely, venality or immorality but a kind of amorality where morals don’t enter into it at all. “We’re right. So anything we do to preserve our process, our power — even if it by itself is wrong — it’s right in the greater sense.” It’s that wonderful rationalization that everybody uses in small doses throughout their lives. But, is this idea, this sort of psychological sort of review of the whole thing, does it apply to Dick Cheney? Does it apply to George Bush? Does it apply to Bill Frist? Who are the names on these authoritarian figures?
DEAN: You just named three that I discuss at some length in the book. I focused in the book, not on the Bush Administration and Cheney and The President because they had really been there done that, but what I wanted to understand is what they have done is made it legitimate to have authoritarianism. It was already operating on Capitol Hill after the ‘94 control by the Republicans in Congress. It recreated the mood. It restructured Congress itself in a very authoritarian style, in the House in particular. The Senate hasn’t gone there yet but it’s going there because more House members are moving over. This atmosphere is what Bush and Cheney walked into. They are authoritarian personalities. Cheney much more so than Bush. They have made it legitimate and they have taken way past where anybody’s ever taken it in the United States.
OLBERMANN: Our society’s best defense against that is what? Do we have to hope, as you suggested, the people that follow, wise up and break away from this sort of lockstep salute to, “of course, they’re right, of course there are WMDs, of course there are terrorists, of course there is al Qaeda, of course everything is the way the president says it.” Or do we rely on the hope that these are fanatics and fanatics always screw up because they would rather believe in their own cause than double-check their own math.
DEAN: The lead researcher in this field told me, he said, “I look at the numbers of the United States and I see about 23% of the population who are pure right-wing authoritarian followers.” They’re not going to change. They’re going to march over the cliff. The best thing to deal with them — and they’re growing, and they have a tremendous influence on Republican politics — The best defense is understanding them, to realize what they are doing, how they’re doing it and how they operate. Then it can be kept in perspective and they can be seen for what they are.
Hmm.. we do know someone who fits that bill here who does not like liberals like me don't we? ;-)


Anonymous said...

No doubt JD will be frantically scrambling over himself to get the last word, LOL. Just like in the previous thread.

What new vile phrases will he decide to type up this time?

Good post, KJ. I love how Olbermann made that Orwellian reference to the 2 minutes of's so true! I highly recommend that everybody read 1984. It's so scary how similar the government in that book is to our current government in the White House.

Jordan's Dad said...

No last word. You kids have fun with this one. ;-)


karmic_jay said...

No last word. You kids have fun with this one. ;-)

Back to the mother ship for talking points...

Enyur said...

Politics is not really my cup of!

Eli said...

I was in the kitchen for that part of the segment, and I thought Dean said 43%... and growing. Thankfully I have one of those cable boxes that can "rewind", so I haven't slashed my wrists or fled to Canada.

Keshi said...

Mr.Bush I think is the most humiliated man on Earth..I do feel sorry for the guy anyways :)


Anonymous said...

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The 9/11 events and the anomalies in the official story raised Unanswered Questions about:
- the unprecedented failure of the US air defense system on the morning of the attacks;
- the AWOL military chain of command during the actual attacks, including the inexplicable behavior of the presidential entourage;
- the seeming impossibility of official claims with regard to Flight 77;
- the evidence that Flight 93 was shot down;
- contradictions and dubious evidence in the official claims about the alleged hijackers and masterminds, and doubts about their real identities;
- signs that the alleged hijackers enjoyed high-level protection against discovery by honest investigators;
- evidence that the alleged hijackers were financed by states allied with US intelligence;
- suspicious and massive international financial trades suggesting foreknowledge of the attacks;
- widespread signs of official foreknowledge and, in fact, advance preparation for the 9/11 attack scenario;
- the long-running links between Islamist fundamentalist terror cells and US covert operations, dating back to CIA support for the anti-Soviet mujahedeen and Osama Bin Ladin himself;
- the demolition-like collapse of the Twin Towers and of a third skyscraper, WTC 7;
- and questions concerning who could have logically expected to derive benefit in the aftermath of a massive attack on the United States.
The suspicions received further confirmation a few weeks after September 11th, with the arrival of anthrax letters targeted only at opposition politicians and media figures, and timed to coincide with the introduction of the USA PATRIOT Act.
Google: 9/11 inside job

Anand said...

Bush deserves all the humor thsts been created because of him..we shld be thanking him for giving us something to laugh about!:-)

Aditi said...

I just think he is outlining strategies for bowling.. could be right?

shikha said...

karmic..have noticed your earlier posts on Bush and the US...Do read a book called"confessions of an economichitman by john perkins.."

karmic_jay said...

@Enyur. You also live in a diff place, but watch it you don't want a Canadian versio of Bush.

@Eli. Yep, if you probably see the back n forth with my resident Bush lover. It's a long battle.

@Keshi.. I don't feel sorry for him. He has pretty much been handed stuff on a platter all his life.

@Anon. I am not sure I agree with all the things you mentioned. But some bother me, esp the slow response of our air defense.

@Anand. yep lot of comic material there.

@Aditi, Yes he is but it's just too easy to make fun of him with his expressions and all.

@Shikha, Will look it up. I have heard about that book. Thanks

Gangadhar said...


Anonymous said...

JD...just so you don't get confused, that second anonymous guy isn't the same one who has been needling you about your hypocrisy with respect to the political party that you support versus the religious background of your wife. I don't believe in that "Loose Change" theory - I have seen the movie and there are way too many problems with the theory that I won't get into here.

Most people choose not to associate with groups that would rather detain their spouses, but hey, different strokes for different folks!

Aaaaaaaannnnnnd now heeeeeeere's JD! Time for him to have the last word! He can't resist! LOL!

Wurlitzer said...

Interesting blog. I was reading the comments and this just struck me.
Most people choose not to associate with groups that would rather detain their spouses, but hey, different strokes for different folks!

Maybe he is one of those self hating types? How else do you explain "LOG CABIN REPUBLICANS"???
All those people are gay and republican? I mean WTF? They belong to a party that hates them.
Whoever JD is looks to be that types.
Why do you even repsond to him?

Jordan's Dad said...

"Hmm.. we do know someone who fits that bill here who does not like liberals like me don't we? ;-)" - Jay

Not trying to start anything here, but had to respond to this. You dont understand - I LOVE liberals like you. As I see it, the more to the left the Democrats move, the more conservatives will get elected. If liberals start pretending to care about national security more than abortions and gay marriage, the GOP will be in trouble.

karmic_jay said...

If liberals start pretending to care about national security more
Pretending? That's what conservatives do. And guess what people are realizing that.
It's pretending cos -
Ports - not secure.
Chem/nuclear plants - not secure.
Border - not secure (not enough border patrol agents either).
Not enough armored humvees/vests.
War based on false/shaky evidence cost more than 250 billion and countless lives.

karmic_jay said...

And you know what, these are all underfunded cos there is not enough money to go around.

Keshi said...



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